Support for aptX & aptX HD

Do we know if Nokia 8 with Oreo already supports these Bluetooth standards already ? If not, will they be supported in the near future ?

Support for aptX & aptX HD

guru guru
 /  edited August 9

Do we know if Nokia 8 with Oreo already supports these Bluetooth standards already ? If not, will they be supported in the near future ? I can see these options under Settings -> Developer options, but when I select aptX, the setting is reverted back to SBC...


Can one of the admins care to comment on this ?


Thanks

Comments

  • user1515274512611 user1515274512611
     /  edited May 4

    I too would like to know if we'll get aptX support. That being said, now with the Oreo update, selecting AAC seems to have improved audio quality and dropped audio latency, so it more acceptable.


    I've tried contacting Nokia via twitter regarding this, but have got no reply. May try other channels until I can get an answer.

  • user1516704405472 user1516704405472
     /  edited May 4

    Unfortunately, seems that aptx libraries are not present. In programmer's mode, you can select any option (aptX and LDAC seems to be the most interesting ones), but the system reverts always to SBC. It's pretty disappointing to hear silence about this. AFAIK, hardware is there, software is not. Nokia 8 is a terrific device, but this absence is unacceptable. I hope this can be solved in an upcoming update.

  • Felix33615 Felix33615
    ✭✭  /  edited May 4
    LDAC is definitely the most interesting for me (see my old thread about this). But even about aptX I would be happy. Unfortunately not even in the Oreo 8.1 beta there anything better than aac working. This is bad. :/
  • Sergey Sergey
     /  edited April 26

    Any news on LDAC or at least AptX support? 

    This is a bit ridiculous having no support for hi-res bluetooth audio codecs, considering that LDAC now is a part of AOSP.

  • user1523159894860 user1523159894860
     /  edited May 4
    The same request from here. LDAC is absolutely a must to make this Nokia phone even better.
  • TobyKenobi TobyKenobi
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    Agree with these comments. Am increasingly streaming from my phone to my hifi and AptX would be a real plus point for Nokia. Any news? This site suggests that it may have, but not sure how reliable it is, which version of Android was tested, etc.


    A statement from Nokia would help.

  • Simo Simo
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    In developer mode any changes in Bluetooth settings get reset to default. It's pretty disappointing... Why not giving support to all the latest technology that the hardware support. It doesn't make sense.
  • revanmj revanmj
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    Simple - because of money. For an OEM to support aptX, they have to pay royalties to Qualcomm.

  • Well I've just returned my phone due to no aptX support, the audio quality was awful compared to my old xperia Z3 that supports it and that phones is years old now.

  • Felix33615 Felix33615
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    LDAC is FREE as far as I know. Sony made it available / "donated" it in AOSP. Not sure about aptX (which should be comparable to aac, but aptx hd should be better). Either way, I have the MDR 1000 X here and can't use anything better than aac. That sucks. I am not really happy with the audio on Nokia 8. My old Sony was wayyyy better here...
  • user1527925000375 user1527925000375
     /  edited June 11
    Hi folks, sorry at first, my english is not the Best. Last week i contact Nokia about apt x Support on Nokia 8. Nokia says, the Nokia 8 Support the aptx codec, but there is a Bug in the combination with oreo. Nokia is working on this issue.
  • ABuyer ABuyer
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    for any high res BT codec to work both the headphone and smartphone needs to support the codec.

    LDAC is available on all oreo devices but unless your headphone supports LDAC the phone will not transmit using LDAC. LDAC is Sony's codec and at the moment only higher end Sony BT headphones support LDAC.


    AFAIK with Oreo there is support for all high res BT codecs including aptx HD, aptx and AAC in addition to LDAC.


    Bose QC 35 only supports AAC.

    B&W, Sony, PSB, NAD, Audio Technica all support aptx HD, BUT to use these codecs the headphone needs to support the high res codec as well otherwise the phone will default to SBC which is standard BT codec.

  • ABuyer ABuyer
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     Sennheiser and Beyerdynamic also support aptx and aptx HD.


    TLDR: to benefit from the higer res codecs you need to pay close attention to the headphones spec sheet, IF AND ONLY IF the headphone supports a high res codec will the phone tranmit using the chosen codec(like LDAC or aptx HD) otherwise it will ALWAYS use SBC.

  • ABuyer ABuyer
     /  edited August 18

    Overseeing Bluetooth (audio’s) standards and development is the
    Bluetooth Special Interest Group. We sometimes hear this group referred
    to as the “The Bluetooth SIG”.


    From Wikipedia: “The SIG is a not-for-profit, non-stock
    corporation founded in September 1998. The SIG is headquartered in
    Kirkland, Washington. The SIG has local offices in Beijing, Seoul,
    Tokyo, and Malmö. The SIG does not make, manufacture or sell Bluetooth
    enabled products.”


    Bluetooth audio’s specifics can be found in the Advanced Audio
    Distribution Profile (A2DP). A2DP mandates SBC support as a bare
    minimum. In other words, every Bluetooth audio device, transmitter or
    receiver, must support SBC
    . This is our Bluetooth baseline. If no other
    codec presents, we still get sound.


    Unfortunately, for listeners with an ear for better sound quality,
    SBC won’t satisfy. I liken its sound to Spotify’s ‘Normal’ streaming
    setting; tonally grey with cymbals that crunch more than shimmer. That’s
    fine for the mainstreamer squarely focussed on Bluetooth’s wireless
    convenience but less for those of who also demand better sound quality.


    Fortunately, higher quality Bluetooth audio is possible. The
    Bluetooth SIG have allowed for additional audio codecs to be
    slipstreamed into the A2DP, opening the door for hardware manufacturers
    to takes listeners beyond SBC’s baseline.


    Making a bigger splash is aptx HD– a lossy codec like any other. Per MP3 or AAC, aptX can be used to
    compress digital audio into a less bandwidth-intensive stream. And like
    the early days of MP3, aptX’s owner Qualcomm claim their codec capable
    of “near CD quality”. The operative word is “near”. aptX (HD) isn’t
    lossless. At time of writing, A2DP isn’t yet capable of lossless codec
    deployment.


    Fortunately for us, an aptX-compressed Bluetooth stream sounds better
    than its SBC-compressed equivalent. Problem solved, right? Not so fast.


    Remember: aptX is an optional codec. It must be present at both ends
    of the Bluetooth connection
    – in the smartphone/laptop AND
    headphones/streamer. If it isn’t, the Bluetooth audio connection reverts
    to the inferior sounding SBC
    .


    Let’s exemplify. Sennheiser’s promotional copy promises the following of their Momentum Wireless headphones: “…the
    high-definition aptX codec carves out every aural nuance in even finer
    detail. Thus, the trademark MOMENTUM sound becomes still more
    brilliant.”
    That might be true. But Sennheiser are only giving us, quite
    literally, half of the story. In order to realise aptX’s aural nuance
    carving capabilities, it must also be present in the transmitting
    device. And this is where the devilish details reside.


    Windows 10 supports aptX – no problems there. Ditto MacOS


    I have no issue in getting my 13” MacBook Air to talk aptX to the
    Momentum Wireless – they sound great too. Less so when cutting over to
    an iPhone. What gives? iOS does not support aptX and so the
    Bluetooth audio connection reverts to the inferior-sounding SBC and it
    will do invisibly to the end user
    .


    What can we do to get the Bluetooth connection away from SBC?

    Before dropping cash on the counter, consumers have work to do — dig
    into a Bluetooth headphone’s codec
    inclusivity
    .
    Does it do aptX, AAC or LDAC? My experience tells us that if
    it’s on the spec sheet, it can also be found in the promotional
    material. Then look for the same codec in your favoured transmission
    device: smartphone, tablet, Mac or PC. A mismatch will lead to SBC and
    possible disappointment.
    How very inconvenient.


    Sony's MDR 1000XM2 and H900N support: AAC, aptx, aptx HD and LDAC.

    Bose QC35 supports AAC.

    B&W PX supports aptx HD

    NAD Viso 70 & PSB M4U8 supports aptx HD

    Airpods support AAC

    Beats Studio 3 support AAC

    Sennheiser HD1, Momentum Wireless, PXC 550, Urbanite XL, HD 4.40 & 4.50 all support aptx


    This is just a very small list but info about your headphone is just a google search away.


  • revanmj revanmj
     / 

    Yeah, but as was said before, for aptX to work, phone manufacturer had to pay royalties to Qualcomm. And Nokia/HMD obviously didn't in case of Nokia 8 at least (I have headphones that support aptX, it worked on Nexus 6P with a custom ROM, it doesn't on Nokia 8).

  • The thing is that the Nokia 8 had AptX HD codecs enabled before the Oreo upgrade.

    I have the Sony WH-1000XM2 that supports AptX HD and LDAC.


    When I asked customer service about it all I got in reply was that the Nokia 8 have no support for AptX HD or LDAC. They didn't even comment on the fact that the phone supported AptX HD out of the box prior to Oreo.


    I know someone has said that they have been told that it is a bug that AptX HD doesn't work, but the Oreo update came out almost half a year ago and still they haven't bothered to deal with it.


    Other issues I have with the phone is very poor WiFi support, many of the networks around me aren't visible at all or drop out often on the Nokia 8 while other devices work just fine. GSM band support is also not what I expected, the phone refuses to connect to some networks while my trusty Nexus 5 and 6 works just fine.


    I'm currently just waiting for the Sony Xperia XZ2 Premium to get released so that I can enjoy a phone that is what I expected the Nokia 8 would be.

    Good camera, good sound quality, broad GSM band support and a working WiFi.


    I want the old Nokia back from 20 years ago where Nokia was associated with quality and user experience, now it seems to be quantity over quality.

  • ABuyer ABuyer
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    @revanmj

    Yes I do know that Qualcomm needs royalties and its sad that Nokia has not paid the royalties because there is no mention of Nokia 8 on the aptx site.

    I was just making a general response that to use high res BT codes both transmitting & receiving device needs to support the codec.

  • Felix33615 Felix33615
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    @Abuyer, both devices must support this. That should be obvious. Other things you say are simply not true. Nokia 8 does not support ANY of the codecs aptX, aptXHD (probably royalties) or the more advanced LDAC (already part of AOSP!!). Read some comments from this thread and try to catch up please: Despite the fact that our headphones are supporting this technology, it's impossible to use it with our Nokias. That's pretty much the whole point of this thread.
  • ABuyer ABuyer
     / 

     @Felix33615


    I know "it should be obvious" but many people don't know about it.


    I did read the thread and only then did I comment. "Other things you say are simply not true"?? What was not true?? I mentioned aptx support is missing on the Nokia 8 and LDAC only works on Sony headphones. What was not true??


    As I stated previously I was making a general response about BT codecs and Oreo does support all BT codecs, notice I mentioned Oreo not Nokia 8 and to benefit from the codecs your headphone also needs to support the codec otherwise its SBC all the way.


    What was not true??

  • Felix33615 Felix33615
    ✭✭  / 
    My mistake! Apologies! I misread, thinking you were talking about "Nokia Oreo supports ..." when indeed you were talking only about Oreo in general. Exactly the reason why it's so difficult to understand why Nokia would simply not have anything better here.
  • ABuyer ABuyer
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    user1509685638205

    Mate I was going to buy a 1000xm2 and that is why I was looking for aptx and ldac support thread.

    Did aptx and ldac really work on Nougat(?) If it did we need to be vocal and demand HMD bring it back. Some thread mentions that its a bug on Oreo.

    If it did work before lets tweet @HMD and Nokia and demand to bring it back.
  •  

    ABuyer, yes AptX HD worked out of the box with Nougat when I bought my Nokia 8. It stopped working when it was updated to Oreo and no LDAC support like I had hoped it would get since Sony donated it to AOSP and Nokia uses a very clean AOSP build in their phones. Sadly it got reduced to only SBC and ACC codecs with the Oreo update. Removing a feature without notifying customers is a big NONO and also illegal in some countries, if it is due to a bug then Nokia has been ignoring it for nearly half a year.

  • ABuyer ABuyer
     /  edited August 5
    @ HMD devs
    Please bring back aptx HD and LDAC support on the Nokia 8.
  • Any Update here? Without Apt X the Phone is useless for me. I switched from iPhone to Android only for Apt X Support.
  • ABuyer ABuyer
     / 

    So I got the Sony 1000XM2 noise cancelling headphones and they support all BT codes, AAC, aptx/HD & LDAC and on the Nokia 8 running 8.1 Oreo the system defaults to AAC when connected to the headphones which is like aptx so no issue there.

    I have 2 older xperia phones which support aptx and I have to say with my headphones AAC sounds better(cleaner/more open) than aptX especially in the highs and upper mids. Now this could be due to BT 5.0 support on the Nokia 8(I can't say for sure that is this because of BT 5.0 vs 4.1 since 5.0 has greater bandwidth than 4.1). Both Xperia Z series are on BT4.1.

    Another thing that is "better" or different between AAC and aptX is that when using the sony headphone connect app I can use the EQ with AAC and keep priority on sound quality rather than connection stability. With aptx the moment I try to access the EQ it prompts to go for connection statbility rather than sound quality. 

    What I am disappointed by is that LDAC which is a free codec is not present. aptX & aptxHD require royalties, fine but not including LDAC is a poor decison.

  • Really disappointed that there is no aptx or even LDAC as mentioned above, LDAC wouldn't even cost royalties to implement... Next phone I get i will make damn sure it has aptx or LDAC, and I bet it wont be a Nokia...
  •  Ok - I raised this with their support having just purchased a Nokia 8 - the answer was the codec is not supported and I should follow their release channel.  I tried through facebook and they said "the hardware doesnt support it".  Sounds like the message isnt clear even within Nokia - I'm stuck with sbc as default which is not good compared to aptx.  They can't even tell me what codecs are supported or planned.  Not great when the community has already added support for these for every phone (granted I dont want to root my phone to install these).  It really can't be that hard to even add the free codec support.  Anyone from Nokia read these who knows whats going on?

  • Felix33615 Felix33615
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    I think we have passed the point a long time ago where we can safely assume that Nokia doesn't give a crap. All their efforts go into pooping out the next phone and advertising it heavily. That's it. The only thing they keep doing with phones that are not the current one in their as campaign is to push out security updates. (Granted, which is the most important thing.) Apart from that there is nothing. No software fixes. No proper hardware repairs. Not even communication. This company shouldn't have come back.
  • They tell many lies.
    When I bought the phone (Nokia 8 128GB), it had Android 7.1.1 and it did have AptX support. After Android 8.0 update it was gone.
    Both software and hardware supports AptX and LDAC, but they f***** up and refuse to fix it.
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