[Let's Talk Imaging] The Future is AI

(Image) Hello everyone, Welcome to Round 3 of our Let's Talk Imaging debates. We've had a good conversation in our first and second debates.

[Let's Talk Imaging] The Future is AI

dipankar paul dipankar paul
Staff member  / 

Hello everyone,

Welcome to Round 3 of our Let's Talk Imaging debates.

We've had a good conversation in our first and second debates. You've made your opinions known on whether or not more megapixels and camera sensors actually enhance smartphone photography, and whether you prefer a true-to-life output on your smartphone or social media-ready photos.

It's time now to discuss the role of Artificial Intelligence in smartphone camera systems.

Does AI hold the key to future of smartphone photography? What applications of AI do you foresee in the near term and the long term in the realm of smartphone photography?

The floor is open. Let's talk!

Comments

  • iamkrishna08 iamkrishna08
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    A smartphone is made to do lot of things on fingertips & that too without hesitation, just click and move. So, in these terms, I do feel AI hold the key to future of smartphone photography. Like Single take feature in Samsung phones where, user get full advantage to shoot video, photo, slo-mo, time lapse, etc. in one single click & later decide what to keep without losing a single moment.

  • singhnsk singhnsk
    Super User  / 

    @praveenp What kind of recognition were you talking about that the system had to censor? 🙈

  • praveenp praveenp
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  • nokianchetan nokianchetan
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    Definitely AI hold the key to future of smartphone photography. I have seen so many people who are clicking better photographs better than before with the help of AI

    Most of the people clicks pictures of Landscape , Flowers and Portraits & AI helps them to enhance the pictures according to scene

    But i want to see the AI to recognise the subjects distance so that it can zoom in or out accordingly .

  • What I think is that we should get to choose how we want to capture. AI is good for people who just want a straight good looking image, ready to post on social media. For people who're in mobile photography, RAW image is best output. Photography is not less than painting. We can teach computers how to edit some aspects of a picture. Auto-edited pics can be good, can be bad or average looking. True photography can transfer feelings that the photographer was experiencing. These feelings were brought by editing by human. AI images can be good looking, but they will never ever give the same vibes as manually edited pics. That's because computers don't feel anything except temperature of the processor. Most of the times details in a photograph does not matter that much, but looking through the photographer's eyes matter. I saw many phones auto edit photos even when taken in pro mode, then what is the point of a pro mode?

    When it comes to capturing some moments quickly, pro mode sucks. Humans can't adjust that many controls fast enough that the moment does not pass away. Here the important role of AI comes, AI should adjust the focus, ISO and shutter time. Then it should produce two outputs RAW and JPEG. A fast storage may become helpful in this.

    Role of AI can be seen in best way from a video-maker prospective, who is shooting a horror scene with parts of humor involved. If AI don't have any control, he has to take smaller clips as he cannot adjust the controls to change in brightness fast enough when the brightness of scene is changed. If the AI controlled everything, then there will be no difference between horror and humor. AI should have control over basic controls only.

  • madbilly madbilly
    Super User  / 

    Hi all,

    Interesting subject! But how come we can only discuss this in India? Come on @dipankar paul, please post these interesting discussions where the rest of the Nokians might find them 😉

    I have mixed feelings about "AI". Certainly, we can see good and bad examples of how it "interferes" with photography. My most recent experience is only with a Nokia 8, which does have some "AI" but generally it doesn't really have it.

    What it does have is scene recognition, but this tends not to work very well. It is used to determine whether or not to use HDR or flash (and of course adjust the various exposure, ISO, shutter speed, etc settings), but it often chooses to use HDR when there is a moving subject and when it's using flash it's just to slow to capture the moment. In cases of lower light or moving objects I therefore turn these off, but I would prefer not to, I would prefer to leave them turned on.

    So far the scene recognition for choosing other settings seems to work quite well. There are of course cases where it's not so good (white balance is an obvious one here) bu in those cases I just take another photo if I can.

    You'll note that I said "AI" in inverted commas. That's because often it's just a catchphrase that is used without anyone knowing what they're really talking about. Some of AI is machine learning, sometimes with neural networks. I'm not sure exactly what is being achieved with this, maybe it's better scene recognition and adjustment, certainly it's recognition of objects in the frame and adjusting focus, white balance etc. However, some of this is where we see the worst of AI - where it starts to change what is actually being photographed and remove things or add things that were never there!

    Edge detection and sharpening, or the opposite, is usually to blame for this. Remember the 9PV comparison shots of the sky which showed loads of clouds but the competitors phone (a Samsung I think) barely showed any clouds at all? I also saw a comparison on AAWP where the 9PV clearly showed clumps of snow on the ground but the others (including the Lumia 950) didn't show this. Now, I didn't take the photos, so I don't actually know which photos were telling the truth, so if AI is making adjustments like this what else is it doing?

    Oversaturation of colours is another horrid case! How many times do we see a photo in a review which shows the sky as blue but actually on that day it was grey!

    A case where AI removes things to the perceived benefit of the user is "portrait" mode, where all those blemishes and things are magically removed! 😆

    So, in summary:

    • Yes please use AI for scene recognition and to automatically adjust the settings to capture the moment
    • No please don't use AI to add and remove things which materially changes what the photo and makes it different from reality.

    Cheers 🙂

  • nitinkachare nitinkachare
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    I like AI features, such as scene detection, face detection, portrait, AI portrait lighting, night mode, gestures detection, smile detection, blink eye detection, etc. AI enhance the image quality and get the image as much as possible details and well-saturated colors according to the subject and different scenarios. Sometimes, AI shows the wrong scenarios while capturing images. AI works with neural processing engine so it's getting better over the time by the machine learning algorithm. AI which works in combining multiple images into one good image is nice. Different AI Bokeh Effects captured with the use of different sensors like tof and depth is a nice thing.

    AI colour feature(black and white effect) and AI background blur is a very good thing in imaging as well as in video recording. In Lumia Camera, I have seen some of feature i.e. Rich capture,Live Images, Smart Group Shot, Action Shot, Blink Eye Gesture, a red-eye removal which was quite good at that time.

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