Nokia 2 users deserves better than that

ZuckHMD
ZuckHMD ✭✭✭
edited June 2019 in Nokia 2
@HMD_Laura
You said Nokia 2 will not get pie 
And I say you have the worst cheap developers in the world ! 
Give Nokia 2 users the bootloader unlock tool/key and I will show you how Nokia 2 will handle pie and Q pretty well ! 
And the patterns are clear because 
1)- you ignore Nokia 8 users because you made new device 

2)- you are lazy to fix bugs or create new Android upgrades for Nokia 2 
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  • user1516119250933
    user1516119250933 ✭✭
    Nokia lost their market earlier because of Windows, same thing will happen because of Android if they work like this.
    Why can't they develop their own OS?
  • Kartik Gada
    Kartik Gada Super User
    UpdateNokia2 said:
    @HMD_Laura
    You said Nokia 2 will not get pie 
    And I say you have the worst cheap developers in the world ! 
    Give Nokia 2 users the bootloader unlock tool/key and I will show you how Nokia 2 will handle pie and Q pretty well ! 
    And the patterns are clear because 
    1)- you ignore Nokia 8 users because you made new device 

    2)- you are lazy to fix bugs or create new Android upgrades for Nokia 2 
    There is an unofficial way to unlock the bootloader and if you can spend some money you can unlock it. :)
  • ZuckHMD
    ZuckHMD ✭✭✭
    Kartik Gada said:
    UpdateNokia2 said:
    @HMD_Laura
    You said Nokia 2 will not get pie 
    And I say you have the worst cheap developers in the world ! 
    Give Nokia 2 users the bootloader unlock tool/key and I will show you how Nokia 2 will handle pie and Q pretty well ! 
    And the patterns are clear because 
    1)- you ignore Nokia 8 users because you made new device 

    2)- you are lazy to fix bugs or create new Android upgrades for Nokia 2 
    There is an unofficial way to unlock the bootloader and if you can spend some money you can unlock it. :)
    I will never buy the unlock key because I don't know what it contains because it comes in binary format and any hacker can hide with the key encrypted payload to get your data and sell it , so no way , if I got a free way to get the key I will have time to analyze what's in the key and if it contains payload I will have time to spank the attacker 
  • Argho Sarkar
    Argho Sarkar ✭✭✭✭
    Bang Banggg said:
    @Argho Sarkar what's up buddy how is your Nokia 8.1 ? Good right are you enjoying slice of pie , what the fu*k we are still on nougat 7.1.1 waiting for stable Oreo 8.1 build since June 2018 , by the way we got buggy half baked Oreo , you wanna taste...ohho your device 8.1 got Q right...

    I think you are a HMD'S happy customer isn't it ? but what about Nokia 2 owners we aren't happy buddy , you came Nokia 2 discussion page to explain your sh*tty story here..Btw I don't understand you when you enjoying 🍰 and ready to upgrade Q ....why did you select Nokia 2 discussion page to vomiting here .

    And one more thing to say we already know HMDudes very well and we Nokia 2 users definitely know what our device capable...We don't need Nokia 8.1 users any kind of help.

    Okay.. Time to cleaning our Nokia 2 discussion page...See you later.
    Good luck with your Nokia 2. 

  • user1520881638007
    user1520881638007 ✭✭✭✭
    @Argho Sarkar
    Thank you and hope you never get such reactions 😄
  • adylanchng
    adylanchng ✭✭✭
    Well the Nokia 2 does run an inferior CPU compared to even the banana phone that is the 8110. 

    I'm sure people could get Pie running on the 2 but I highly doubt the experience would be any better than the current experience with Oreo on the 2. 
  • Argho Sarkar
    Argho Sarkar ✭✭✭✭
    user1520881638007 said:
    @Argho Sarkar
    Thank you and hope you never get such reactions 😄
    Naa, it's okay I can feel him. Disappointed with Nokia with not getting the Android 9 Pie.


  • ZuckHMD
    ZuckHMD ✭✭✭
    adylanchng said:
    Well the Nokia 2 does run an inferior CPU compared to even the banana phone that is the 8110. 

    I'm sure people could get Pie running on the 2 but I highly doubt the experience would be any better than the current experience with Oreo on the 2. 
    What if I told you it can run Android pie ? 
    I have done my own tests and it can run pie ! 
  • Kartik Gada
    Kartik Gada Super User
    UpdateNokia2 said:
    Kartik Gada said:
    UpdateNokia2 said:
    @HMD_Laura
    You said Nokia 2 will not get pie 
    And I say you have the worst cheap developers in the world ! 
    Give Nokia 2 users the bootloader unlock tool/key and I will show you how Nokia 2 will handle pie and Q pretty well ! 
    And the patterns are clear because 
    1)- you ignore Nokia 8 users because you made new device 

    2)- you are lazy to fix bugs or create new Android upgrades for Nokia 2 
    There is an unofficial way to unlock the bootloader and if you can spend some money you can unlock it. :)
    I will never buy the unlock key because I don't know what it contains because it comes in binary format and any hacker can hide with the key encrypted payload to get your data and sell it , so no way , if I got a free way to get the key I will have time to analyze what's in the key and if it contains payload I will have time to spank the attacker 
    Sometimes you need to trust people especially those who are from the community. :)
  • Kartik Gada
    Kartik Gada Super User
    Argho Sarkar said:
    @HMD_Laura is just community administrator Guys. She is not a software developer for HMD/Nokia. She is here to report any issues in community, issues in the devices to the team concerned to solve the issues.

    Nokia 1 got the Android Pie and you think if it was possible to give Pie to Nokia 2, won't they would have given already.

    Nokia 2 lacks the hardware capability brothers. Snapdragon 212 is a weak processor and it won't handle the Android Pie well. That's the truth. They can't provide Pie because it will disrupt the user experience. They are many people who are using Nokia 2 and for some people in the community who want Android Pie, they can't spoil the user experience for all the users of Nokia 2.
    Very well said. I agree. :)
  • ZuckHMD
    ZuckHMD ✭✭✭
    Kartik Gada said:
    UpdateNokia2 said:
    Kartik Gada said:
    UpdateNokia2 said:
    @HMD_Laura
    You said Nokia 2 will not get pie 
    And I say you have the worst cheap developers in the world ! 
    Give Nokia 2 users the bootloader unlock tool/key and I will show you how Nokia 2 will handle pie and Q pretty well ! 
    And the patterns are clear because 
    1)- you ignore Nokia 8 users because you made new device 

    2)- you are lazy to fix bugs or create new Android upgrades for Nokia 2 
    There is an unofficial way to unlock the bootloader and if you can spend some money you can unlock it. :)
    I will never buy the unlock key because I don't know what it contains because it comes in binary format and any hacker can hide with the key encrypted payload to get your data and sell it , so no way , if I got a free way to get the key I will have time to analyze what's in the key and if it contains payload I will have time to spank the attacker 
    Sometimes you need to trust people especially those who are from the community. :)
    Nope because they sell something they shouldn't sell and you know how they got the key and the program that generate the binary file format *.bin
  • madbilly
    madbilly Super User
    You make some good points (and some bad ones, but I won't repeat other people's calls for everyone to remain polite - whoops I just did!).
    1. Official bootloader unlock method for the Nokia 2 would allow the community to try and make Pie and later unofficially available.
    2. How did they get the programme that generates the unlock key? Good question I'd like to know the answer to.
    The SD212 in the Nokia 2 is the weakest platform in any touchscreen phone from HMD, even weaker than the Nokia 1 which was launched just a few months afterwards. It's very unfortunate that HMD decided to do this, but it has been done. FYI @adylanchng I think the 8110 4G has a SD205 which is weaker than the SD212 in the Nokia 2, not stronger.
    All, HMD_Laura is not "just" an administrator, she's probably the person at HMD who supports us the most, certainly the one who seems to listen to use the most. Let's all try and be a bit more positive when describing what someone's role is, especially when that role is important to us.
    Cheers :)
  • Argho Sarkar
    Argho Sarkar ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2019
    madbilly said:
    You make some good points (and some bad ones, but I won't repeat other people's calls for everyone to remain polite - whoops I just did!).
    1. Official bootloader unlock method for the Nokia 2 would allow the community to try and make Pie and later unofficially available.
    2. How did they get the programme that generates the unlock key? Good question I'd like to know the answer to.
    The SD212 in the Nokia 2 is the weakest platform in any touchscreen phone from HMD, even weaker than the Nokia 1 which was launched just a few months afterwards. It's very unfortunate that HMD decided to do this, but it has been done. FYI @adylanchng I think the 8110 4G has a SD205 which is weaker than the SD212 in the Nokia 2, not stronger.
    All, HMD_Laura is not "just" an administrator, she's probably the person at HMD who supports us the most, certainly the one who seems to listen to use the most. Let's all try and be a bit more positive when describing what someone's role is, especially when that role is important to us.
    Cheers :)
    Okay @madbilly Sir, you are actually right that @HMD_Laura Mam is not just a Administrator. I mentioned it just because some of the above comments were like she just closes discussions and sort of such comments. Rather, Laura Mam is the mostly the only one in the community who looks after our issues and gets them sorted. Sorry, it wasn't appropriate for me to say like that.

  • user1520881638007
    user1520881638007 ✭✭✭✭
    @madbilly
    what makes nokia 2 feel bad is all about 32 bit processor.Yes not by it's name but it's architecture.And that 1GB RAM is more enough for any developer to skip the further development,but @madbilly what makes me bit of surprise is that when apps of some MB's and GB's are still being supported in 32 bit as well as 64 bit to the existing and upcoming devices How come an OS comes and makes a barrier to the device?even apps are also running in the OS itself.OS upgrade is like a overhaul improvement to UI and also feature some advance security system that we faced in our day-to-day life,even few people enjoys to stay in older OS but what percent of people know that staying in older OS is good to go?Even when you see the Microsoft they even doesn't want people's PC(4GB or higher memory). to stay in older cumulative updates aka Security Patches and also in older version at any point of view they although do that forceful at one time it's all their care for people .Even in today's life mobile computing become most powerful and resourceful thing for every person living in the world and when the user wants to have a better security then upgrading to new OS will make sure that security level still gets higher than previous one.That's what the main concern from myself that making me to force the HMD to provide the latter OS to Nokia 2 so that atleast HMD will be one concern for security not for features that the OS have.

    So it's not about the features that we want to taste from Pie or something it's all about the new security features that device want's to. @UpdateNokia2 ,the person who has key role in revealing the security flaw of the OS and usage of the device.that about my opinion and concerns on Pie Upgrade for Nokia 2
  • madbilly
    madbilly Super User
    Hi @Argho Sarkar, I'm sure you didn't mean any disrespect, it's just that when I read it I got a little defensive on behalf of our closest HMD contacts!
    Hi @user1520881638007 I didn't realise that the 32-bit nature of the Nokia 2 CPU was the main blocker, I presumed it was the overall performance. You're right that if anyone is blocking the update to Android 9 because the Nokia 2 CPU is 32-bit only, not 64-bit, then that is incorrect according to the Android 9 compatibility which states that 32-bit only devices are allowed: https://source.android.com/compatibility/9/android-9-cdd#2_2_handheld_requirements
    In the future, Google will prevent 64-bit Android devices from running 32-bit applications, but that is not relevant to the Nokia 2. I wonder if some people have misinterpreted this requirement for 64-bit devices as meaning that 32-bit devices will not longer be supported.
    The fact that the Nokia 2 has a higher native resolution than the Nokia 1 means that the Nokia 2 will need to use more memory for the display, meaning less available for applications. However the requirement is the same in both Android 8.1 and 9, so this in itself should not be a blocker to the update to Android 9.
    The same as others, I would like to know from HMD why they chose to ignore customer feedback on the beta build which worked well and instead decided to ship a version with lower overall performance.
    Cheers :)
  • user1520881638007
    user1520881638007 ✭✭✭✭
    madbilly said:
    The fact that the Nokia 2 has a higher native resolution than the Nokia 1 means that the Nokia 2 will need to use more memory for the display, meaning less available for applications. However the requirement is the same in both Android 8.1 and 9, so this in itself should not be a blocker to the update to Android 9.

    Absolutely not because Nokia 2 display is quite less when compared to Nokia 1 because you can see in the chip set specifications and more over it's not the technical point for blocking the Nokia 2,for the clarity i have sent you the link please have a look and then you may come to know

  • madbilly
    madbilly Super User
    Hi @user1520881638007, thanks for sending me the links, unfortunately I can't find the information which contradicts what I wrote above. If both displays have the same bit depth then the higher resolution display will need more memory because it will have to store information about more pixels, which will need more memory space, hence Nokia 2 will need to use more memory for its display than the Nokia 1 will. Since both the Nokia 1 and 2 have 1GB memory, this means the Nokia 1 will have more memory free for other parts of the OS and for applications.
    Still, as I said above, the memory minimum requirements between Android 8.1 and 9 haven't changed, so if the Nokia 2 can run 8.1 it should also be able to run 9. If not, then Google's specs are wrong and HMD need to explain to Google why they're wrong... how do you think that will go? ;)
    Cheers :)
  • ZuckHMD
    ZuckHMD ✭✭✭
    the problem hmd dont know the linux rules 
    They give this device 500mb swap while in the linux rules the swap should be 1024 aka 1gb swap as the ram lower than 1gb thats why sometimes the device feels so ****
  • user1516119250933
    user1516119250933 ✭✭
    Then why did they remove rollback option ?
    Oreo OS consumes more battery life than Nougat. (Software > Hardware)
    RAM usage is also more than Nougat.
    I know there is a good interface, camera app improvements in Oreo. But unluckily Rollback is not working. 
    IF HMD could fix this battery draining issue and other bugs I like to stay in Oreo.  o:)
  • madbilly
    madbilly Super User
    Hi @UpdateNokia2, good point about the SWAP, 500MB is quite low, but then with only 8GB storage there's not much room for anything after the OS is installed, so maybe that's why HMD went with 500MB...
    Hi @user1516119250933, I agree it's strange they removed the rollback option, but was this a leftover from the beta labs period?
    Cheers :smile:

  • user1516119250933
    user1516119250933 ✭✭
    madbilly said:
    Hi @UpdateNokia2, good point about the SWAP, 500MB is quite low, but then with only 8GB storage there's not much room for anything after the OS is installed, so maybe that's why HMD went with 500MB...
    Hi @user1516119250933, I agree it's strange they removed the rollback option, but was this a leftover from the beta labs period?
    Cheers :smile:

    I tried Rollback option from beta labs just one week ago, still no downgrade, I hope it's completely offline...
  • Nathan Christ
    Nathan Christ ✭✭
    Nokia 2...Nokia 2 only ilusion to move forward but move backward...lol
  • Gustnado
    Gustnado ✭✭✭
    @UpdateNokia2 Whatever the reason it doesn't matter, We Nokia 2 owners deserve more that's the point.
  • ZuckHMD
    ZuckHMD ✭✭✭
    Royal71143 said:
    @UpdateNokia2 Whatever the reason it doesn't matter, We Nokia 2 owners deserve more that's the point.
    Tomorrow morning am going to report HMD to the U.S. Federal Trade Commission (FTC) 
    Because what hmd doing isn't different than scamming !
  • madbilly
    madbilly Super User
    Hi @UpdateNokia2, you will be asked what proof you have of this misleading advertising by HMD, so make sure you have that ready. To be sure, post your links here so we can all check them too :)
  • ZuckHMD
    ZuckHMD ✭✭✭
    madbilly said:
    Hi @UpdateNokia2, you will be asked what proof you have of this misleading advertising by HMD, so make sure you have that ready. To be sure, post your links here so we can all check them too :)


  • singhnsk
    singhnsk Super User
    UpdateNokia2 said:
    I will never buy the unlock key because I don't know what it contains because it comes in binary format and any hacker can hide with the key encrypted payload to get your data and sell it , so no way , if I got a free way to get the key I will have time to analyze what's in the key and if it contains payload I will have time to spank the attacker 
    The key is flashed to the "unlock" partition. That partition does not physically exist and is only a part of non-persistent memory where data is only stored for basic matching and is cleaned on a reboot. The function of the bootloader is to try to use its public key to decrypt the 256-bytes of data. It decrypts it using the pub key which should be the part of the private key (a mismatched encryption key will halt it here only) which was used to encrypt the data, then it presents it as a key. If it fits, it is a pass, if it is a fail, then it is an error and there it ends. There is no way a hacker can use the tiny unlock bin to include any additional payload and get your data.
    madbilly said:
    2. How did they get the programme that generates the unlock key? Good question I'd like to know the answer to.
    Short answer:
    Chinese companies do not care enough about security. Somebody managed to somehow get access to the private key which was used by the flash tool OST LA to generate flash permission for the device. I do not know where it was left out and if it was an infiltration or discovered off a  FIH's mistake. A key was discovered in Nokia 6's (PLE) factory firmware, I tried to use that but unfortunately I failed to make use of it. It was either an encryption key for something else or I lacked the expertise to combine the information together to make good use of it. I believe it was mistakenly left somewhere as Sharp phones never got as much attention as Nokias.
    The same private key was being used to sign the bootloaders in Nokia, Infocus & Sharp smartphones. FIH realized this around June of 2018 and then with the release of August security patch, the bootloader on all Nokia Android phones was upgraded to start using a new encryption key. It was important as it is also a big security breach when something as crucial as a bootloader can be altered by others. As of now, nobody has access to this new key, except FIH. So, the private key is all private (as it should be).
    The keys which exist are still for the older bootloader and the devices should be downgraded to an update older than August 2018 for the keys to work.
  • ZuckHMD
    ZuckHMD ✭✭✭
    singhnsk said:
    UpdateNokia2 said:
    I will never buy the unlock key because I don't know what it contains because it comes in binary format and any hacker can hide with the key encrypted payload to get your data and sell it , so no way , if I got a free way to get the key I will have time to analyze what's in the key and if it contains payload I will have time to spank the attacker 
    The key is flashed to the "unlock" partition. That partition does not physically exist and is only a part of non-persistent memory where data is only stored for basic matching and is cleaned on a reboot. The function of the bootloader is to try to use its public key to decrypt the 256-bytes of data. It decrypts it using the pub key which should be the part of the private key (a mismatched encryption key will halt it here only) which was used to encrypt the data, then it presents it as a key. If it fits, it is a pass, if it is a fail, then it is an error and there it ends. There is no way a hacker can use the tiny unlock bin to include any additional payload and get your data.
    madbilly said:
    2. How did they get the programme that generates the unlock key? Good question I'd like to know the answer to.
    Short answer:
    Chinese companies do not care enough about security. Somebody managed to somehow get access to the private key which was used by the flash tool OST LA to generate flash permission for the device. I do not know where it was left out and if it was an infiltration or discovered off a  FIH's mistake. A key was discovered in Nokia 6's (PLE) factory firmware, I tried to use that but unfortunately I failed to make use of it. It was either an encryption key for something else or I lacked the expertise to combine the information together to make good use of it. I believe it was mistakenly left somewhere as Sharp phones never got as much attention as Nokias.
    The same private key was being used to sign the bootloaders in Nokia, Infocus & Sharp smartphones. FIH realized this around June of 2018 and then with the release of August security patch, the bootloader on all Nokia Android phones was upgraded to start using a new encryption key. It was important as it is also a big security breach when something as crucial as a bootloader can be altered by others. As of now, nobody has access to this new key, except FIH. So, the private key is all private (as it should be).
    The keys which exist are still for the older bootloader and the devices should be downgraded to an update older than August 2018 for the keys to work.
    I have tried techbizmo and some other tutorials by myself to unlock the bootloader AND NONE WORKED why you guys are hiding the way ? You should put fee for someone want it ready ! Generated by you also I don't believe what you said because I can embed payload to the key and it will still be accepted

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