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Tapping into Android Pie's adaptive battery for optimum battery performance

Hi Nokia phones Fans 

Before
Google introduced Adaptive battery on Android P, OEMs had their own solutions
for managing system performance and battery life.

Tapping into Android Pie's adaptive battery for optimum battery performance

HMDLaura HMDLaura
✭✭✭✭  /  edited September 2019

Hi Nokia phones Fans

Before Google introduced Adaptive battery on Android P, OEMs had their own solutions for managing system performance and battery life. Evenwell was our solution. With Android 9 Pie’s adaptive battery feature, the need to have an alternate solution no longer exists. Adaptive battery uses deep learning to understand usage patterns and prioritise battery and is more intelligent AI driven approach for battery and performance management and is available across the range of Nokia smartphones running Android 9 Pie. When our devices that launched with Android N or Android O originally upgraded to Android 9 Pie, we started to gradually disable Evenwell while carefully monitoring end user feedback. Now we have completely disabled Evenwell from our legacy devices so even if you see the solution there, it does not do anything. On our new devices launching with Android 9 P (or later) releases we do not have Evenwell at all.

Best regards,
Laura & Team

Comments

  • dorso dorso
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    Thank you, good to know. 
  • user1555208268263 user1555208268263
    ✭✭✭  /  edited August 2019
    If now,,Evenwell doest do anyhting than why not completely removing it ,,can be done by OTAs  
  • Адель Хамидуллин Адель Хамидуллин
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    It's good. Now i can uninstall all evenwell apks,as Bokeh Editor, Battery Protect and etc.?
  • Mick1965 Mick1965
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    Daniel G M said:
    Адель Хамидуллин said:
    It's good. Now i can uninstall all evenwell apks,as Bokeh Editor, Battery Protect and etc.?
    Bokeh editor is needed for re adjusting focus on live bokeh photos.
    Others, dont know.
    The evenwell apps are still there (August 1 SP), even if not being used.
    The com.evenwell bokeh disabled or enabled seems to make no difference to the function of live bokeh or the editing of live bokeh images.
    Which makes me think if disabling the others does anything either.

    Uninstalling Via ADB I don't know, but disabling via the settings seems to do nothing.
  • Daniel G M Daniel G M
    ✭✭✭  / 
    Mick1965 said:
    Daniel G M said:
    Адель Хамидуллин said:
    It's good. Now i can uninstall all evenwell apks,as Bokeh Editor, Battery Protect and etc.?
    Bokeh editor is needed for re adjusting focus on live bokeh photos.
    Others, dont know.
    The evenwell apps are still there (August 1 SP), even if not being used.
    The com.evenwell bokeh disabled or enabled seems to make no difference to the function of live bokeh or the editing of live bokeh images.
    Which makes me think if disabling the others does anything either.

    Uninstalling Via ADB I don't know, but disabling via the settings seems to do nothing.
    Most of these evenwell apps have hidden larger size apk, which are not listed in phone app list.
    They are visible only through adb.
  • Mick1965 Mick1965
    ✭✭✭  / 
    Daniel G M said:
    Mick1965 said:
    Daniel G M said:
    Адель Хамидуллин said:
    It's good. Now i can uninstall all evenwell apks,as Bokeh Editor, Battery Protect and etc.?
    Bokeh editor is needed for re adjusting focus on live bokeh photos.
    Others, dont know.
    The evenwell apps are still there (August 1 SP), even if not being used.
    The com.evenwell bokeh disabled or enabled seems to make no difference to the function of live bokeh or the editing of live bokeh images.
    Which makes me think if disabling the others does anything either.

    Uninstalling Via ADB I don't know, but disabling via the settings seems to do nothing.
    Most of these evenwell apps have hidden larger size apk, which are not listed in phone app list.
    They are visible only through adb.
    So the only way to truly disable them is to uninstall the whole package via ADB.

    I'm talking about the power saver app this time.
    Which I think is causing me problems with an app that just stops after 2ish minutes when the phone is locked.
  • rizaldiardiansah rizaldiardiansah
    ✭✭  / 
    HMD_Laura berkata:

    Hi Nokia Fans

    Before Google introduced Adaptive battery on Android P, OEMs had their own solutions for managing system performance and battery life. Evenwell was our solution. With Android 9 Pie’s adaptive battery feature, the need to have an alternate solution no longer exists. Adaptive battery uses deep learning to understand usage patterns and prioritise battery and is more intelligent AI driven approach for battery and performance management and is available across the range of Nokia smartphones running Android 9 Pie. When our devices that launched with Android N or Android O originally upgraded to Android 9 Pie, we started to gradually disable Evenwell while carefully monitoring end user feedback. Now we have completely disabled Evenwell from our legacy devices so even if you see the solution there, it does not do anything. On our new devices launching with Android 9 P (or later) releases we do not have Evenwell at all.

    Best regards,
    Laura & Team
    Please, add Classic Nokia Fonts for Nokia Android phones as the default font. I really hope that HMD will grant my request. Thank you!!!
  • madbilly madbilly
    Super User  / 
    Hi @Daniel G M can you give some examples of the ADB output that shows these hidden apps which aren't in the system app list in the OS UI? I know that there's the list of com.evenwell.... etc overlays and they each have a corresponding app listed separately with a normal name (i.e. not just the namespace name com.evenwell.bokeheditor but actually an app called "Bokeh Editor").
    @Mick1965 did you disable both the main Bokeh Editor app and the overlay, or only one of them?
    Cheers :)
  • Mick1965 Mick1965
    ✭✭✭  /  edited August 2019
    Just the com evenwell.

    I was trying to work out what these overlays by com evenwell actually did. I ran with them all of them disabled for a week or so and as far as I can figure out,  they do absolutely nothing.

    It is the power saver that I'm interested in.
    How I understand don't kill my app website power saver and the com evenwell ...G3 ... overlay. Are part of the same app.

    Now that hmd are not supposedly using the com evenwell apps, how come I cannot disable power saver, and if I force it to stop it just restarts itself shortly after.
    Why does it need to be running if it's no longer being used.

    Something doesn't add up with the statement from hmd_laura


  • Varg Varg
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    Sadly the Evenwell software is still active on my Nokia 8 with Android P and hasn't been disabled nor has it been removed.

    When can we expect to see it implemented?
  • Muser Muser
    ✭✭✭  / 
    Varg said:
    Sadly the Evenwell software is still active on my Nokia 8 with Android P and hasn't been disabled nor has it been removed.

    When can we expect to see it implemented?
    It's only the Power apps from them that were disabled I guess. If you try to manually launch them it loads Android Pie's default Restricted Apps setting page so I think at least that much is true.

    As for all of the other Evenwell apps, since newer phones no longer have them I don't see why HMD won't remove them on older phones.
  • madbilly madbilly
    Super User  / 
    Hi @Daniel G M and @MatteBlacke thank you for the excellent and very detailed insights, wow! You have managed to shine a light into the internal workings, much appreciated.
    I'll try and do some similar investigation into my Nokia 8 but I'm not ready to run a custom ROM (I'm not even sure there really is one for the 8).
    Cheers :)
  • Muser Muser
    ✭✭✭  / 
    scafroglia93 said:
    I ask HMD not to talk about bullshit, as shown by an AMA on Android Q, it is clearly written that Google will not accept solutions to save battery in the face of aggressive management of the task manager
    You are not doing anything special, just by following the dictates provided by Googlle for the release of the stock rom

    Please, stop talk about closeness to users etc etc.

    Cit:
    https://hothardware.com/news/android-q-ama-details-next-google-mobile-os-desktop-mode

    "What is also interesting is how Android Q will deal with manufacturers breaking apps running in the background for the sake of extending battery life. The user who brought up the topic in the AMA session noted that this practice "is an absolute support nightmare for both developers and users," and Google seems to agree."

    Are you kidding me HMD ?
    A little from column A a little from column B, no need to take it personally. 2017 devices that won't see Android Q had the apps disabled as well with Pie.
  • cooljevil cooljevil
    ✭✭✭  / 
    @madbilly @MatteBlacke , I just found what the Evenwell app "Battery protection" does. Though we all know it does more harm than good, it had one important job to do. You see, the app actually warns you if the temperature of your phone (while you're charging) is so high that it may damage the battery itself quickly.
    Do note that this happened way back in April of this year. But in the recent updates of Pie build, I don't see it pop anymore.  





  • Thanuj Thanuj
    ✭✭✭  / 
    cooljevil said:
    @madbilly @MatteBlacke , I just found what the Evenwell app "Battery protection" does. Though we all know it does more harm than good, it had one important job to do. You see, the app actually warns you if the temperature of your phone (while you're charging) is so high that it may damage the battery itself quickly.
    Do note that this happened way back in April of this year. But in the recent updates of Pie build, I don't see it pop anymore.  





    Yes. I used to see this prompt all the time when we had summer in my place. The phone would quite literally reach 50C while charging. Now, I think because Nokia has removed evenwell, The phone stays cooler while charging and never goes above 40C. Even during the hotter days(38-40C Temps)
  • madbilly madbilly
    Super User  / 
    Hi @cooljevil yes I saw these in the activities breakdown for the app when I was checking it out over the weekend. I never saw these messages though, even though it does get very warm in summer where I live.
    @matteblack nice to hear that charging is much cooler now! Maybe HMD are telling the truth and these system apps really are getting disabled. But why only disabled and not removed completely?
    Cheers :)
  • Pawan Pal Pawan Pal
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    But still some disgusting evenwell apps are running and causing background app killing.
  • alexium 67 alexium 67
    ✭✭  /  edited September 2019
    Will it disable for Nokia 5 in the future? Or was it disabled already by any last updates?
  • user1532459652042 user1532459652042
    ✭✭  / 
    HMD_Laura said:

    Hi Nokia phones Fans

    Before Google introduced Adaptive battery on Android P, OEMs had their own solutions for managing system performance and battery life. Evenwell was our solution. With Android 9 Pie’s adaptive battery feature, the need to have an alternate solution no longer exists. Adaptive battery uses deep learning to understand usage patterns and prioritise battery and is more intelligent AI driven approach for battery and performance management and is available across the range of Nokia smartphones running Android 9 Pie. When our devices that launched with Android N or Android O originally upgraded to Android 9 Pie, we started to gradually disable Evenwell while carefully monitoring end user feedback. Now we have completely disabled Evenwell from our legacy devices so even if you see the solution there, it does not do anything. On our new devices launching with Android 9 P (or later) releases we do not have Evenwell at all.

    Best regards,
    Laura & Team
    Unfortunately, on my Nokia 8.1 this junk is still present in the OS and phone is still killing backgroud apps instead of keeping them in RAM. RAM is being wasted and i have to re-open the app and waste battery and CPU.
  • amaljoe amaljoe
    ✭✭✭  /  edited September 2019
    it is seriously messing with Accessibility settings in Nokia 5.1+. I can't use any applock, gesture control applications, floating toolboxes, Third-party alarm applications, etc. wallpaper gets reverted frequently...these things need to be fixed immediately. Is this same with other devices?  :/
  • amaljoe amaljoe
    ✭✭✭  / 
    Evenwell apps still remain. but they seem to have fixed the problem in the last update. now accessibility settings are working fine...👍😇
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