The cameras themselves are not actually top end specification (pixel size, aperture size), so there is a limit to how good the camera can be. However, there's no doubt that the software can be improved especially in low light, e.g. it's still not good add my old Lumia 925 or my wife's Motorola G3...!
As already answered the actual sensor and optics are not really top of the line. However, the software also has a significant role. For rather extreme examples, see comparisons from this thread:
So, there's empirical proof that better image quality is definitely possible even with the current Nokia 8 camera hardware. Whether HMD can provide significant improvements during the remaining support timeframe of Nokia 8 is another matter though, all bets are off as far as that is concerned.
If you're on pie, it's quite easy to side load the camera soa from other Nokia phones and assis from there being no square profile, it has worked flawlessly for me after a reboot. Prior to rebooting, the video mode wasn't working correctly. This shows that thereth just making excuses not to update the camera app. It pretty much ads everything I want from the camera in terms of functionality, although the pro mode is obviously missing, but I'm not overly concerned about it, as the manual mode offers most of the same features.
@kiranzzz512 What more do you need and expect, technically, and in which situations are you not satisfied with the options and performance in the current app?
I liked the original out-of-the-box app better than the current version, it had more Zeiss legacy / personality and fewer 'bugs' but less options. It's beyond me why people want to experiment with multiple apps instead of taking the time to learn what makes a good picture, regardless of equipment.
Quoting an old master:
Your first 10,000 photographs are your worst
Constant new discoveries in chemistry and optics are widening considerably our field of action. It is up to us to apply them to our technique, to improve ourselves, but there is a whole group of fetishes which have developed on the subject of technique. Technique is important only insofar as you must master it in order to communicate what you see... The camera for us is a tool, not a pretty mechanical toy. In the precise functioning of the mechanical object perhaps there is an unconscious compensation for the anxieties and uncertainties of daily endeavor. In any case, people think far too much about techniques and not enough about seeing. — Henri Cartier-Bresson
@user389 while the essence of your previous post holds some truth, not everyone has the professional photographer spirit. The photography tricks and terms and all is fascinating to myself, but I don't have much time to delve into it. This is why I also demand HMD to deliver us a proper camera app, suitable for this flagship and one corresponding to their poetic lies that I've received through their advertisements/product presentations. I've been deceived, I'm being merciful by allowing them to hold up to their own promise about the f-ing camera app coming with this pie upgrade. If it won't happen then I'm very curious what a lawsuit against false advertisement and deceit would bring. A brand new Huawei flagship, i hope.
HMD and the camera app can't know what picture and video you want. The best camera is the one you've got with you. Take lots of photos. Practice in manual mode. Keep only the best shots, discard the rest. A new camera app does not help if the issue is too little time to learn. I still need dumb luck for a really good shot after 50 years of practice.
Thanks HMD / nokiamobile and the community. Happy New Year to you all.
I tooke the decision to download the Nokia camera app that both these phones use. Nokia Camera 91.9.1133.80 This also is the latest version of Nokia camera in the play store. The good thing is that it works on Nokia 8. The focus is much faster, there isn't any refocus wen you touch the shutter button, the picture is less megabytes but maybe more details that the stock Nokia 8 camera app. This camera app use only the color sensor of Nokia 8, because Nokia 6.1 .Plus and 7.1 doesn't have BW sensor. There isn't also always "hunting focus" when taking video clips, like the stock camera app.
I did a comparison test between stock Nokia 8 camera app, GCam port and the camera app from Nokia 7.1/6.1 plus.
Can you guess wich photo is taken with wich camera app? Do you see the improvement?
First 3 photos are scene 1
Last 3 photos are scene 2
All photos are taken in complete darkness with flash.
The file size difference is unbelievable! Staggering POS from HMD! Several times larger and many more times 💩tier!
How can they allow such miserable software represent them on their (still) flagship?!
The file size doesn't matter now. Because the photos were uploaded with Google Photos and deleted from the device by my mistake. And when you download them again in the phone the size is much much less. I'm asking about the quality, not the size. What do you think?
The only mistake is the last 2 answers. Change the position of the last 2.
Also on the picture with the bear, the new HMD camera represents very acuraacc the green color of the wall. The other 2 camera apps show very different colour.
Also, I think the new HMD camera captures more details.
If you're on pie, it's quite easy to side load the camera soa from other Nokia phones and assis from there being no square profile, it has worked flawlessly for me after a reboot. Prior to rebooting, the video mode wasn't working correctly. This shows that thereth just making excuses not to update the camera app. It pretty much ads everything I want from the camera in terms of functionality, although the pro mode is obviously missing, but I'm not overly concerned about it, as the manual mode offers most of the same features.
Did you change your settings? The icons on my camera is somehow on top of a smaller icon of itself
I'm also with the latest Nokia camera app from Nokia 7.1, 6.1plus... My Nokia is with Android 8.1, but the camera works very well. The only problem is that the flash has to be on auto or off, if you set it On, can't make any photos. This Nokia camera is the best for me, night photos with flash, daylight photos... Perfect. This means for me that HMD if want can make a better camera for Nokia 8, that will use both sensors on our phone and to make even better photos than this side loaded camera app. Because now this camera use only the color sensor of Nokia 8.
I didn't look closely but I couldn't see much difference. The "new HMD camera app" you refer to is the one being used on the 6.1+and 7.1 with Android 8.1 right? Or Android 9?
Look closely and you will see the difference. Soon I will upload some comparison photos. Yes the camera of 6.1+ and 7.1, and maybe 8.1. It doesn't matter of the Android version, the camera app is the same used in 6.1+ and 7.1
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https://community.phones.nokia.com/discussion/18801/gcam-night-sight-on-nokia-8/p1
So, there's empirical proof that better image quality is definitely possible even with the current Nokia 8 camera hardware. Whether HMD can provide significant improvements during the remaining support timeframe of Nokia 8 is another matter though, all bets are off as far as that is concerned.
What more do you need and expect, technically, and in which situations are you not satisfied with the options and performance in the current app?
I liked the original out-of-the-box app better than the current version, it had more Zeiss legacy / personality and fewer 'bugs' but less options.
It's beyond me why people want to experiment with multiple apps instead of taking the time to learn what makes a good picture, regardless of equipment.
Quoting an old master:
— Henri Cartier-Bresson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Cartier-Bresson
Season's greetings,
Hans
Hope that will be possible stream a live stream to any decided website.
MfG
Marc
The best camera is the one you've got with you. Take lots of photos. Practice in manual mode. Keep only the best shots, discard the rest.
A new camera app does not help if the issue is too little time to learn.
I still need dumb luck for a really good shot after 50 years of practice.
Happy New Year to you all.
Hans
https://nokiapoweruser.com/nokia-6-1-plus-google-cam-vs-nokia-cam-latest-version-imaging-quality-comparison/
https://nokiapoweruser.com/nokia-7-1-google-camera-vs-nokia-camera-comparison/
I tooke the decision to download the Nokia camera app that both these phones use.
Nokia Camera 91.9.1133.80 This also is the latest version of Nokia camera in the play store.
The good thing is that it works on Nokia 8. The focus is much faster, there isn't any refocus wen you touch the shutter button, the picture is less megabytes but maybe more details that the stock Nokia 8 camera app. This camera app use only the color sensor of Nokia 8, because Nokia 6.1 .Plus and 7.1 doesn't have BW sensor.
There isn't also always "hunting focus" when taking video clips, like the stock camera app.
I did a comparison test between stock Nokia 8 camera app, GCam port and the camera app from Nokia 7.1/6.1 plus.
Can you guess wich photo is taken with wich camera app? Do you see the improvement?
First 3 photos are scene 1
Last 3 photos are scene 2
All photos are taken in complete darkness with flash.
I'm asking about the quality, not the size. What do you think?
Change the position of the last 2.
Also on the picture with the bear, the new HMD camera represents very acuraacc the green color of the wall. The other 2 camera apps show very different colour.
Also, I think the new HMD camera captures more details.
Did you change your settings? The icons on my camera is somehow on top of a smaller icon of itself
My Nokia is with Android 8.1, but the camera works very well. The only problem is that the flash has to be on auto or off, if you set it On, can't make any photos.
This Nokia camera is the best for me, night photos with flash, daylight photos... Perfect.
This means for me that HMD if want can make a better camera for Nokia 8, that will use both sensors on our phone and to make even better photos than this side loaded camera app.
Because now this camera use only the color sensor of Nokia 8.
Soon I will upload some comparison photos.
Yes the camera of 6.1+ and 7.1, and maybe 8.1.
It doesn't matter of the Android version, the camera app is the same used in 6.1+ and 7.1
1.GCam port camera
2. New HMD camera
3. Stock Android 8.1 camera
The picture with most accurate colors is the second.