Pie 9

Mudasir Khan · February 12

When will stable pie 9 arrive on my Nokia 8. My phone have already received January 2019 security patch. But bugs are still there. Is there any hope for improvement or I sell out my Nokia 8 phone. Pls suggest me. Thanks

jdan · February 12

If everyone keeps complaining about this phone*, you will have to give it away!
What a paradox in this forum: half of the complaints are about not having received Pie, the other half because that same Pie-update is full of bugs.

Anyway ..

Here you find what updates your phone had and when:
https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/security-updates

What can be detected from this? There are two (or more) different sorts of updates every month.

Your phone is most probably on 00WW_4_88B_SP08 (Oreo 8.1)
Mine is on 00WW_5_110_SP01 (Pie)

There were Nougat updates till May 18, whereas Oreo had started in November 17!

The general explanation at the top for this is:

"HMD Global is delivering the latest Security Patches to your Android smartphone as quickly as possible. However, there are several factors which may affect the date you actually receive an update. These factors include device model, region, location, operator approvals, and Google’s Security Patch Monthly Release announcement. Security Patches are also sometimes included with Maintenance Releases.

Please note that the quoted release dates refer to the live releases for the first approved markets. In general, the release may take several days to reach all consumers within an approved market."

jdan · February 12

Nokia 8 had a lot of maintenance releases since its launch in 2017. Quite a change with lots of other brands. But these maintenance releases don't necessarily mean a bug free phone, of course. But it certainly means HMD Global is working on it.

I think your updates last year were most probably:
00WW_4_88B_SP08 - 00WW_4_88B_SP07 - 00WW_4_88B_SP06 etc.
So mine must be:
00WW_5_110 - 00WW_4_84A_SP10 - 00WW_4_84A_SP09 - 00WW_4_84A_SP08
etc.

Research on the Internet learned that there are three types of Nokia 8:
TA-1004 dual sim versions - Middle East & South Asia
TA-1012 single sim version - European countries
TA-1052 dual sim version for China and Taiwan
Source: https://nokiatips.com/2017/10/04/nokia-8-model-numbers/

I think TA-1012 maybe gets the updates first. Correct me if I am wrong.
(Your phone must be a dual sim version.)

user1535316420182 · February 12

jdan said:

Nokia 8 had a lot of maintenance releases since its launch in 2017. Quite a change with lots of other brands. But these maintenance releases don't necessarily mean a bug free phone, of course. But it certainly means HMD Global is working on it.

I think your updates last year were most probably:
00WW_4_88B_SP08 - 00WW_4_88B_SP07 - 00WW_4_88B_SP06 etc.
So mine must be:
00WW_5_110 - 00WW_4_84A_SP10 - 00WW_4_84A_SP09 - 00WW_4_84A_SP08
etc.

Research on the Internet learned that there are three types of Nokia 8:
TA-1004 dual sim versions - Middle East & South Asia
TA-1012 single sim version - European countries
TA-1052 dual sim version for China and Taiwan
Source: https://nokiatips.com/2017/10/04/nokia-8-model-numbers/

I think TA-1012 maybe gets the updates first. Correct me if I am wrong.
(Your phone must be a dual sim version.)

You know nothing about nokia 8 or our problems. He said : "when stable pie update will come?" . Do you know whats the meaning of "stable". Dont worry i will teach you.. stable means there is no compass issue, stable means; there is no camera autofocusing problem.

i think you r working in hmd. Because you dont know anything about nokia 8 problems.

WWnok · February 12

Pie 9 on Nokia 8 blocks tethering accessing non standard ports. with Oreo I had no problem connecting to my work network using the phone as a hotspot. However since the update I am unable to connect to my work network or access ticket system via tethering. If I use the phone browser I can access the ticket system which means that non standard ports are being blocked by the tethering module. HMD say its a Google issue however I have tried other non Nokia phones with Pie installed and the tethering works okay. My advise is if you use tethering don't upgrade to Pie.

schox · February 12

user1535316420182 said:

jdan said:

Lot of nice and helpful things

Whiney crap without any real substance.

@jdan try to use the forum for what it is for, you @user1535316420182 fail at being a sentient being.

Please buy a feature phone. Come back when you have rounded snake 🐍

Final = the build that is released to the public
Beta = the build released to people willing to test before final

None of the above means bug free
Oreo had/has lots of bugs - Pie will continue to have bugs long after next service release.
Some new bugs will even be introduced in future service or . releases.

Some bugs is in HMD's power to fix, some need to be fixed by Google - but many need new drivers from chipset manufacturers. Some even need to be by all of them.

If this is a hard concept to grasp - Smart phones or Internet forums is not your thing.

I'm not saying HMD is doing a good job with the software (I have no idea what it is they are struggling with ) - or that I am satisfied with how they communicate with the users (I'm not) - but some basic decency towards people who try to help is really not too much to ask for - and if one takes the head out of one's @$$ and try to find out how the world works - one might even get a better life...

user1535316420182 · February 13

There is a community named: xda developers. Only one coder can solve issues about custom rom for example gps, compass or wifi issue. Only one developer can solve this issues about 1-2 weeks or a month..

But HMD cant fix very simple compass issue about 2-3 months or HMD cant fix camera autofocusing problem about 1 year.

Why HMD opened a beta program for nokia 8 pie before? if they release same beta version of pie then?? Whats the meaning of beta program for HMD?

Can you explain?

schox · February 14

user1535316420182 said:
Why HMD opened a beta program for nokia 8 pie before? if they release same beta version of pie then?? Whats the meaning of beta program for HMD?

Can you explain?

Why beta? HMD probably wanted to test a version of Android 9 for Nokia 8 on a greater base than internal testing provides.

Why release final? HMD probably decided that there was no major problems reported by enough beta testers, and that releasing the 5.110 was better than waiting, unless for India, where there was discovered a issue with VoLTE (if I remember correctly).

You might disagree, I might too, but that doesn't change the fact that most users are unaffected by the bugs you complain about.

user1535316420182 · February 14

i was in beta test group. İ installed beta pie.. i reported compass and other bugs. Every tester reported same issues. But HMD did nothing. Compass issue is a major bug!! Camera autofocusing problem major bug too. We reported but HMD did nothing..

Think that; if same issues exist in apple, xiaomi, oneplus or samsung what they do?

Dheeraj · February 14

schox said:

user1535316420182 said:
Why HMD opened a beta program for nokia 8 pie before? if they release same beta version of pie then?? Whats the meaning of beta program for HMD?

Can you explain?

Why beta? HMD probably wanted to test a version of Android 9 for Nokia 8 on a greater base than internal testing provides.

Why release final? HMD probably decided that there was no major problems reported by enough beta testers, and that releasing the 5.110 was better than waiting, unless for India, where there was discovered a issue with VoLTE (if I remember correctly).

You might disagree, I might too, but that doesn't change the fact that most users are unaffected by the bugs you complain about.

Most ppl are unaffected? Really? I dont think so when Compass and WiFi which are 2 basic necessities in a smartphone are not working as they are supposed to. Add to that the fingerprint reset, battery drain and frequent network drop isssues, the device becomes almost unusable.

Jivko Antonov · February 14

I don't have battery drain problem, don't have WiFi problem and no frequent network drop.
Only compass and missing the promised new camera app.... And adaptive brightness.
Everything else is working perfectly on my phone.

user1508928527225 · February 14

Dheeraj said:

schox said:

user1535316420182 said:
Why HMD opened a beta program for nokia 8 pie before? if they release same beta version of pie then?? Whats the meaning of beta program for HMD?

Can you explain?

Why beta? HMD probably wanted to test a version of Android 9 for Nokia 8 on a greater base than internal testing provides.

Why release final? HMD probably decided that there was no major problems reported by enough beta testers, and that releasing the 5.110 was better than waiting, unless for India, where there was discovered a issue with VoLTE (if I remember correctly).

You might disagree, I might too, but that doesn't change the fact that most users are unaffected by the bugs you complain about.

Most ppl are unaffected? Really? I dont think so when Compass and WiFi which are 2 basic necessities in a smartphone are not working as they are supposed to. Add to that the fingerprint reset, battery drain and frequent network drop isssues, the device becomes almost unusable.

Hmm, what's the problem with WiFi been? Personally I haven't noticed any difference as far as the WiFi performance and reliability is concerned between Oreo and Pie. No noticeable difference for better or worse with cellular network functionality either, and the battery life has been more or less the same.
The broken compass functionality is a quite annoying issue though and definitely seems to affect everyone who uses it.

(the fingerprint reset also appears to be something seen by everyone if the battery goes empty, I've probably avoided that just because I've always been a bit obsessed about not letting the battery on a phone reach 0%)

schox · February 14

Dheeraj said:

schox said:
You might disagree, I might too, but that doesn't change the fact that most users are unaffected by the bugs you complain about.

Most ppl are unaffected? Really? I dont think so when Compass and WiFi which are 2 basic necessities in a smartphone are not working as they are supposed to. Add to that the fingerprint reset, battery drain and frequent network drop isssues, the device becomes almost unusable.

Yes most people are unaffected, and most beta testers did not report those errors.

I do not know anyone who are affected by those bugs - most people don't even know that they upgraded to Android 9 - only bug who seems to be consistent with Android 9 on nokia 8, is the compass bug - which almost nobody uses - and when it is off, most people who notices just shrugs 🤷‍♂️

You are not representative for most users, neither am I.

schox · February 14

user1535316420182 said:

Think that; if same issues exist in apple, xiaomi, oneplus or samsung what they do?

I have never owned a xiaomi or oneplus - but several apple and Samsung products - and I know what they would do - if it was Apple and the trouble was a major security hole - they would stop everything, and fix and distribute the fix ASAP - for most all other bugs, they would fix it in due time maybe in the next major release.

Samsung do almost the same just slower, and probably no major release will arrive.

user1508928527225 · February 14

Dheeraj said:

schox said:
You might disagree, I might too, but that doesn't change the fact that most users are unaffected by the bugs you complain about.

Most ppl are unaffected? Really? I dont think so when Compass and WiFi which are 2 basic necessities in a smartphone are not working as they are supposed to. Add to that the fingerprint reset, battery drain and frequent network drop isssues, the device becomes almost unusable.

As attempting to edit a typo out of a post made earlier today seemed to kill my post, commenting again. I've also only seen the compass bug, which admittedly *is* highly annoying if something you use suddenly breaks because of it.

Regarding the fingerprint reset, my impression is that it's indeed a common issue if the battery drains to 0% and sounds highly annoying. I just haven't encountered it because I've always been a bit obsessive about not letting the phone to run out of power.

However, I haven't personally noticed any performance/reliability difference with WiFi or cellular network between Oreo and Pie. The battery performance seems to also be essentially similar for me. My colleague also has the 8 and he's not mentioned such issues either. I'm not saying they aren't real, just that of the mentioned issues, the compass and fingerprint issues do appear to be more common than the rest.

Ognjen Šešlija · February 17

@user1508928527225 and @Dheeraj You are absolutely right, this firmware is pathetic. Battery life is terrible, network drops are there, compass is not functioning as well as other stuff. Check my list at: https://community.phones.nokia.com/post/quote/42497/Comment_82118
I have also other colleague with Nokia 8 having to charge his phone now each 12 hours rather 24 hours for same work load. Don't let HMD apologists mislead you, firmware is broken. Google apparently made a lousy Android, it transpired to all of us. I wish I could go back to Oreo, and not had received Pie at all.

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