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• gravemind2015

  ✭✭  /  February 2019

  Nice find! I'll add some of my own here:

  
  

  1. The auto (normal) still can't set the exposure properly. While it has been significantly improved since the oreo days; there is still room for improvement, especially when the scene is transitioning, for example from the phone pointing to the sky to the ground. Currently if I set the horizon exactly at the middle of viewfinder, the exposure fluctuates significantly.

  
  

  2. There is no AE/AF lock. At least I couldn't find it anywhere. It'll be a very nice addition, especially while taking videos.

  
  

  3. The exposure goes down significantly during shooting video in slow mode. This is especially noticeable while recording in sunlight as the skin tones of subjects become very darker.

  
  

  
  

  4. There is no pre-configured scene mode. Personally, I know what I have to do so I stick with the pro mode. But for others, scene modes would be handy. The ability to create specific scene modes out of pro settings would be nice too as then users can save specific set of settings as customised profiles.

  
  

  
  

  That'd be all for now.

  Regards,

  Gravemind

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• Kartik Gada

  ✭✭✭✭  /  February 2019

  gravemind2015 said:

  Nice find! I'll add some of my own here:

  
  

  1. The auto (normal) still can't set the exposure properly. While it has been significantly improved since the oreo days; there is still room for improvement, especially when the scene is transitioning, for example from the phone pointing to the sky to the ground. Currently if I set the horizon exactly at the middle of viewfinder, the exposure fluctuates significantly.

  
  

  2. There is no AE/AF lock. At least I couldn't find it anywhere. It'll be a very nice addition, especially while taking videos.

  
  

  3. The exposure goes down significantly during shooting video in slow mode. This is especially noticeable while recording in sunlight as the skin tones of subjects become very darker.

  
  

  
  

  4. There is no pre-configured scene mode. Personally, I know what I have to do so I stick with the pro mode. But for others, scene modes would be handy. The ability to create specific scene modes out of pro settings would be nice too as then users can save specific set of settings as customised profiles.

  
  

  
  

  That'd be all for now.

  Regards,

  Gravemind

  Oh yes, I forgot about these. Nice additions @gravemind2015
  
  1. This also happens when we focus on trees. The exposure fluctuates constantly and the camera is unable to decide. Seems like the camera app is confused.
  
  2. Yes, AE and AF locking should be added. Tap to focus just locks the focus for a few seconds which is not a good experience. We need to tap on the screen every few seconds to set focus.
  
  3. The noise level is also very high while shooting videos in normal or slow mode when recording in low light.
  
  4. I remember the scene mode present in the Auto Mode of Nokia Camera app on windows phones. There were NIght and Sports scene modes. Never used them but could be useful for many who rely on auto mode.
  

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• gravemind2015

  ✭✭  /  February 2019

  Oh yeah, I almost forgot one feature request : the ability to scan QR and bar codes. I couldn't do it, even on Google lens .

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• wyk

  ✭✭✭✭  /  February 2019

  I dont understand when we can launch pro mode by sliding up the shutter button why need a pro mode tab !!  The total UI is clattered needs simplify & a bundled pro mode tutorial for novices.

  
  

  I would like to see dedicated shutter button device again & adding a half circled zoom slider in pro mode along with ISO, exposure etc.
  

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• Kartik Gada

  ✭✭✭✭  /  February 2019 edited February 2019

  wyk said:

  I dont understand when we can launch pro mode by sliding up the shutter button why need a pro mode tab !!  The total UI is clattered needs simplify & a bundled pro mode tutorial for novices.

  
  

  I would like to see dedicated shutter button device again & adding a half circled zoom slider in pro mode along with ISO, exposure etc.
  

  That's what I am saying just remove the tab of Pro Mode and make it like it was on Lumias Just tap that "a" in auto mode to expand the pro mode settings or slide the shutter button.
  
  Yes, a physical 2 stage shutter button could be a nice addition but let's not get into the hardware part here as I want this thread to be focused on Nokia Camera app. 😊

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• Daniel G M

  ✭✭✭  /  February 2019 edited February 2019

  I'd like to add
  

  • RAW image capture
  • Flat (Log) Video capture

  Kartik Gada said:

  3. The noise level is also very high while shooting videos in normal or slow mode when recording in low light.

  
  Currently the video is recorded :
  
  4K @[email protected]
  1080P 16:9 & 18:9 @[email protected]
  720P 16:9 & 18:9 @[email protected]
  
  These bit-rates are too low. They might look good on a small screen on a phone.
  But viewing in your monitor or TV, you will see that it is not sharp enough. Try watching the recorded 4K video on a 4K screen.
  
  Of course some will argue file size will be larger, but the quality is lost when you are recording in low bit-rate. Nokia can also give an option to record in x.265 which has better compression and doesn't compromise that much on quality. (SD660 has x.265 support)
  
  In my opinion these bit-rates should be doubled for the footage to look decent on large screens.
  
  The Slo-Mo is captured in 1080P @[email protected] but it's processed and written on file as 30FPS, thereby destroying the usability of the clip during editing. Also 20MBps is really really low for a 1080P video.
  
  SD 660 is capable of 
  Reocording
  4K @30FPS
  1080P @120FPS
  720P @240FPS
  Has x.265 support as well
  
  Nokia should come up with something so that the video is recorded and written in file with actual supported frame rates (not processed and rewritten to 30FPS). So that editing them would be easy later on.
  
  Also allow us to record normal footage at 120FPS or 240FPS at higher bitrates.
  So that we will have more control while editing the footage, whether to slow it down or speed it up.
  
  
  Since the camera app has a pro mode for photos, why not have a pro mode in video recording as well ?
  
  

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• Kartik Gada

  ✭✭✭✭  /  February 2019 edited February 2019

  daniel g m said:

  I'd like to add
  

  • RAW image capture
  • Flat (Log) Video capture

  Kartik Gada said:

  3. The noise level is also very high while shooting videos in normal or slow mode when recording in low light.

  
  Currently the video is recorded :
  
  4K @[email protected]
  1080P 16:9 & 18:9 @[email protected]
  720P 16:9 & 18:9 @[email protected]
  
  These bit-rates are too low. They might look good on a small screen on a phone.
  But viewing in your monitor or TV, you will see that it is not sharp enough. Try watching the recorded 4K video on a 4K screen.
  
  Of course some will argue file size will be larger, but the quality is lost when you are recording in low bit-rate. Nokia can also give an option to record in x.265 which has better compression and doesn't compromise that much on quality. (SD660 has x.265 support)
  
  In my opinion these bit-rates should be doubled for the footage to look decent on large screens.
  
  The Slo-Mo is captured in 1080P @[email protected] but it's processed and written on file as 30FPS, thereby destroying the usability of the clip during editing. Also 20MBps is really really low for a 1080P video.
  
  SD 660 is capable of 
  Reocording
  4K @30FPS
  1080P @120FPS
  720P @240FPS
  Has x.265 support as well
  
  Nokia should come up with something so that the video is recorded and written in file with actual supported frame rates (not processed and rewritten to 30FPS). So that editing them would be easy later on.
  
  Also allow us to record normal footage at 120FPS or 240FPS at higher bitrates.
  So that we will have more control while editing the footage, whether to slow it down or speed it up.
  
  
  Since the camera app has a pro mode for photos, why not have a pro mode in video recording as well ?
  
  

  Very nice suggestions and thanks for the extra info about the bit rate that you shared. Nokia Mobile should provide all these options in the settings. I forgot about the Pro Mode for videos and yes it can be a very nice addition and also very useful for those who record lots of videos.
  
  Please listen to our requests / feedback/ suggestions Nokia Mobile. 😊
  
  @HMD_Laura Can you pass our feedback to the concerned people at HMD who can look into this. Thanks 😊
  

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• Daniel G M

  ✭✭✭  /  February 2019

  daniel g m said:

  I'd like to add
  

  • RAW image capture
  • Flat (Log) Video capture

  Kartik Gada said:

  3. The noise level is also very high while shooting videos in normal or slow mode when recording in low light.

  
  Currently the video is recorded :
  
  4K @[email protected]
  1080P 16:9 & 18:9 @[email protected]
  720P 16:9 & 18:9 @[email protected]
  
  These bit-rates are too low. They might look good on a small screen on a phone.
  But viewing in your monitor or TV, you will see that it is not sharp enough. Try watching the recorded 4K video on a 4K screen.
  
  Of course some will argue file size will be larger, but the quality is lost when you are recording in low bit-rate. Nokia can also give an option to record in x.265 which has better compression and doesn't compromise that much on quality. (SD660 has x.265 support)
  
  In my opinion these bit-rates should be doubled for the footage to look decent on large screens.
  
  The Slo-Mo is captured in 1080P @[email protected] but it's processed and written on file as 30FPS, thereby destroying the usability of the clip during editing. Also 20MBps is really really low for a 1080P video.
  
  SD 660 is capable of 
  Reocording
  4K @30FPS
  1080P @120FPS
  720P @240FPS
  Has x.265 support as well
  
  Nokia should come up with something so that the video is recorded and written in file with actual supported frame rates (not processed and rewritten to 30FPS). So that editing them would be easy later on.
  
  Also allow us to record normal footage at 120FPS or 240FPS at higher bitrates.
  So that we will have more control while editing the footage, whether to slow it down or speed it up.
  
  
  Since the camera app has a pro mode for photos, why not have a pro mode in video recording as well ?
  
  

  Small correction. It's Mbps as in Mega bits per second. Not MBps Mega Bytes per second.

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• ajbe

  ✭✭✭  /  February 2019

  Another bug to add.
  
  GPS location always shows as estimated. This was not an issue in the previous camera version. Location access is on and working correctly in my timeline so it's only a problem with the camera app.

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• madbilly

  ✭✭✭✭  /  February 2019

  Wow! What a thread! Thanks everyone for the detailed bugs list and suggestions.

  
  

  It's interesting to read some of them because they make it clear that the 7+ camera app is different from the app for the 8. We have different features, different UI and different bugs! (some are the same though).

  
  

  I really hopethat HMD can make a unified camera app which includes all your suggestions and fixes all the bugs.

  
  

  Cheers
  

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• federer roger

  ✭✭✭  /  February 2019

  madbilly said:

  Wow! What a thread! Thanks everyone for the detailed bugs list and suggestions.

  
  

  It's interesting to read some of them because they make it clear that the 7+ camera app is different from the app for the 8. We have different features, different UI and different bugs! (some are the same though).

  
  

  I really hopethat HMD can make a unified camera app which includes all your suggestions and fixes all the bugs.

  
  

  Cheers
  

  Deep down we all know that they won't do any significant update in camera app.

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• mananmehta

  ✭✭  /  February 2019

  Also if the front camera uses pixel binning technology than a 4mp 4:3 resolution setting should be added. 
  AI scene detection is a trendy feature that many of the cheap and high end phones come with today , It really helps for quickly capturing 

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• Kartik Gada

  ✭✭✭✭  /  February 2019

  madbilly said:

  Wow! What a thread! Thanks everyone for the detailed bugs list and suggestions.

  
  

  It's interesting to read some of them because they make it clear that the 7+ camera app is different from the app for the 8. We have different features, different UI and different bugs! (some are the same though).

  
  

  I really hopethat HMD can make a unified camera app which includes all your suggestions and fixes all the bugs.

  
  

  Cheers
  

  Glad that this came to your attention. I hope you shared these suggestions and feedback with the HMD team at MWC.
  
  And, we also need a dedicated category for Nokia cameras app in the Community Forum. Can we get it? 
  
  Thanks.

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• madbilly

  ✭✭✭✭  /  February 2019

  @Kartik Gada for the camera apps section on the forum, suggest it in the Forum feedback section. I think this is a great idea.

  
  

  I did not have much chance to talk about improvements to existing devices. When I did I tried to focus on broken features and instability rather than improvements. However, they have asked me to write them a short summary of things which the community think need to be addressed and I will include a link to this thread on the camera app.
  

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• Kartik Gada

  ✭✭✭✭  /  October 2019

  madbilly said:

  @Kartik Gada for the camera apps section on the forum, suggest it in the Forum feedback section. I think this is a great idea.

  
  

  I did not have much chance to talk about improvements to existing devices. When I did I tried to focus on broken features and instability rather than improvements. However, they have asked me to write them a short summary of things which the community think need to be addressed and I will include a link to this thread on the camera app.
  

  Did you write a summary and sent it to them? 😁

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• madbilly

  ✭✭✭✭  /  October 2019

  Yes but it was part of the overall summary of all issues for all devices.

  Cheers
  

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• Vivek J

  ✭✭✭  /  October 2019

  You guys have a lot of hope and expectations from HMD. lol. They don't give a **** about N7+ anymore. too many unresolved issues. Just use it as much as you can and when your pocket allows, get a new device next time.

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